how can you say that when he is running around the country doing town hall meetings, new hampshire, montana colorado. >> no, no, no. bill: come on. >> he is playing kevin's, -- defense. he is not playing offense. which is something you noted in the memo. here is what i stand for. bill: give me five bullet points. >> exactly. let me show you what i stand for and why this is going to make it better for you, the american consumer. bill: he can't do it, juan. >> he hasn't yet. evidence is a smart guy. that's a capable individual. bill: what do you say mary katharine? >> he is in super salvage mode right now. he is the guy out there. he was selling the public option but when people hear public option, they also hear government run health care. seniors here in order to pay for this government run health care, you are going to cut my programs. so he is running into serious problems here. and he is out there trying to salvage them. part of the reason is because he has been talking in generalities the whole time. he hasn't gotten down to nuts and bolts with congress and said, listen, this is what i